tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post5401960056787220509..comments2008-10-23T05:35:55.895-07:00Iannuccihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15120192496901254768jeff_iannucci@hotmail.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-69059665743880981482008-10-23T05:35:55.895-07:002008-10-23T05:35:55.895-07:00Robert, according to my (admittedly incomplete) research Marty NEVER TOOK OUT ANOTHER CAR in any of his "incidents". So while we can criticize him for being off the pace, we must give him credit for at least staying out of the way!<BR/><BR/>Marty's crashes seem to be all 100% unforced driver error, which makes it some sort of record in and of itself.Dale Nixonhttp://www.poisonedpens.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-19914503772836280752008-10-22T08:33:34.071-07:002008-10-22T08:33:34.071-07:00Marty Roth ,filling fields since 1989.Roth was also banned from the AMA for taking out half the field as they were grided fot the start fo the race.<BR/>Marty Roth(The Sloth), worst Indycar driver all time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-89851209491955418022008-10-22T05:57:31.675-07:002008-10-22T05:57:31.675-07:00My point of view- I have no problem if Roth wants to spend his money to go race (I mean drive) each week. The IRL should not say he cannot race, rather make him pony up $10 million in an escrow account that the drivers that he wrecks can draw from to rebuild their cars. At the end of the year any left over money is split 50/50 between Roth and a charity/charities. <BR/>If Roth says he can afford to drive and have fun and not be competitive - let him pay!Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-80302148603868667892008-10-21T18:14:36.346-07:002008-10-21T18:14:36.346-07:00I love this site. You wouldn't even know this happened if you went to indycar.com. They're image protectors on that site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-67087222380317637592008-10-21T06:44:59.974-07:002008-10-21T06:44:59.974-07:00You forgot to add his lovely "No Show" to Watkins Glen (as a driver or an Owner).....he will not be missed (except by those of us who enjoyed picking him to finish last in Fantasy Racing) :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-14770126758449244112008-10-21T02:35:01.712-07:002008-10-21T02:35:01.712-07:00"btw... I hope we have a decent conversation about Milka and others soon."<BR/><BR/>Of course this is the Milka that led more laps in 2008 than Danica Patrick did... ;)Dudshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00881490501549265278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-88583859256739426652008-10-21T02:34:23.133-07:002008-10-21T02:34:23.133-07:00Including Road courses?<BR/><BR/>I think we'd all agree Milka Duno struggles on road course in these cars (I'd be stronger but I think there wouldn't be a debate on that statement).<BR/><BR/>At the last road course, Marty was as far behind MILKA in 2nd last as Milka was behind the Pole.<BR/><BR/>That's not just slow. That's glacial. I think they pointed out he'd have been 18th on the support race grid. In an Indycar.Dudshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00881490501549265278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-42201557453571824972008-10-20T21:37:52.683-07:002008-10-20T21:37:52.683-07:00I have to say I feel somewhat sorry for the guy.<BR/><BR/>Living your dream of racing, trying to keep a team going, trying to improve--I can understand why he's angry. But still, no matter how hard you try, if you don't have the talent, you can't race. End of story.Robbiehttp://f1ronspeak.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-27226253119486891172008-10-20T14:39:23.350-07:002008-10-20T14:39:23.350-07:00btw... I hope we have a decent conversation about Milka and others soon. I'm interested to learn what the IRL community feels about competition versus size of the field.<BR/><BR/>@ dale nixon: I think Harrison Ford would be more fitting for the role of Roth. Though I think Cruise would more accurately convey how much of a "detective" Roth can be.Jessehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09749862545877406488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-16672755768372967302008-10-20T13:26:21.224-07:002008-10-20T13:26:21.224-07:00As much as I like and have the utmost respect for Norris, this was definitely a one-sided, bleeding heart article. <BR/><BR/>As Jeff has pointed out with the numbers, Roth's version of his season definitely doesn't match up with the actual facts. <BR/><BR/>Not that this is any excuse for lack of proper research, but unfortunately, here in Toronto, the funding and print space for open wheel coverage was severely slashed this year. The only open wheel event the major papers sent anyone to was Edmonton (thanks you PT) <BR/><BR/>The fact that there was an article on Roth at all is likely due to the friendship between himself and Norris, not it's newsworthiness. (cause quite frankly you could probably walk down Yonge St. from Bloor to Front, questioning every person you passed with "who is Marty Roth" and not get one correct answer) <BR/><BR/>The one-sided depiction is likely due to not having followed the season very closely, and relying on hearsay rather than first hand knowledge. Again, not an excuse, but a likely explanation.meeshbeerhttp://meeshbeer.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-43449204803288553702008-10-20T12:31:15.061-07:002008-10-20T12:31:15.061-07:00The thing that honks me off isn't Marty's behavior. It's this guy McDonald. He gives unprofessional word butchers a bad name!<BR/><BR/>I registered for wheels.ca just to rip his conclusion about how the IRL owes Marty an apology. (We'll see if it gets posted.) The gist is, if you calculate the average number of points Marty scored per race, he was ahead of only two drivers--Lloyd and Simmons--each of whom only ran one race. And he wasn't far ahead of them. Even Milka did better (averaging 12.7 points/race compared to Marty's 10.4). Even if we give Marty another 20 points for starting the races with a DNS, he only gets to 11.6.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-70923202562846812752008-10-20T12:21:24.424-07:002008-10-20T12:21:24.424-07:00Does this mean I can now unveil my plans for a Marty Roth biopic starring Tom Cruise and thousands of Dallaras as "extras"?<BR/><BR/>It's going to be titled "Born to Park"Dale Nixonwww.poisonedpens.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-61784950174988014022008-10-20T11:44:45.839-07:002008-10-20T11:44:45.839-07:00Two great points. I definitely think he would have been tolerated with another competitive entry, but that was my point. He should have been kept around if he was going to eventually give two spots to deserving drivers as the IRL is staring down a lack of '09 owner investment despite the ratings/popularity uptick in '08.<BR/><BR/>You're right in saying that Roth cost a lot of deserving drivers valuable practice time. For that reason, I guess I can get on board the blacklisting. He also had the gall to complain about lack of IRL testing when he spent most of his Friday/Saturday sessions in gravel traps or against a white wall.Jessehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09749862545877406488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-70787474746945170332008-10-20T11:24:31.470-07:002008-10-20T11:24:31.470-07:00Milka, and maybe even a few others, are stories for another day. As for Roth he's been given lots of opportunity to demonstrate that he is a hazard for both the blatant crashing during races but also in the more subtle way of lowering the amount of experience other drivers get with all of his practice mishaps. Planning to park him at lap 50 every race doesn't fix that.<BR/><BR/>This is merely speculation, but I suppose race officials were willing to tolerate him so long as he also spotted a car for Jay Howard or John Andretti or whomever. But by the end of the year the team may as well have been called "Just Marty Roth Racing", which isn't exactly a team with a lot of, how should I say, upside potential.Iannuccihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15120192496901254768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-78986638957063544172008-10-20T11:05:33.456-07:002008-10-20T11:05:33.456-07:00Okay, I'm with you insomuch that Roth was definitely lacking the pace to be an IRL driver.<BR/><BR/>However, there are others the IRL should be approaching in the same way. (How Milka Duno ever got a license is still beyond me.)<BR/><BR/>Also, can the series afford to disenfranchise any owner right now? Doesn't look like they'll field many, if any, more cars next year. Maybe the IRL should have continued to park him at lap 50 for a couple of more years just so he'd continue to field cars after he eventually gave up?Jessehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09749862545877406488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-88781749041139646702008-10-20T10:49:17.793-07:002008-10-20T10:49:17.793-07:00It's OK. By "dick" you meant "detective", right?Iannuccihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15120192496901254768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-17656450405967904272008-10-20T10:48:07.535-07:002008-10-20T10:48:07.535-07:00oops, sorry about my language, Jeff.J E Clerkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04914847269810088063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-53737119733320029412008-10-20T10:47:05.825-07:002008-10-20T10:47:05.825-07:00If Marty had left Jay Howard in the seat and got himself a laptop and threw it around on race day, he might have been OK. But when he dicked over jay at Indy, he lost me...J E Clerkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04914847269810088063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25142730.post-13339572584971892502008-10-20T10:34:13.023-07:002008-10-20T10:34:13.023-07:00Screw you guys I'm goin' home!Justinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16626187017118520041noreply@blogger.com